Thanks Texstarter. Yeah I think a lot of veteran's would be pretty curious as to what the rest of the rules could be according to the original creators, there were some past threads debating what they could be. I'd love the talking plushie too, Tex has so many great lines. 
I have seen some webcomics manage to produce plushies (got one myself from VG Cats) so it could be doable.
I have seen some webcomics manage to produce plushies (got one myself from VG Cats) so it could be doable.(Ruri_Ayanami from the old Tex Murphy ezboard).
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what would Schafer said about that?..xhonzi wrote:Maybe $50 is too much for the casual kickstarter contributor, but I don't want a $15 game
it`s not about quality or true fanaticism... it`s about rules of market - the cheeper the cost, the more will buyTexstarter wrote:Tex Murphy games are of at least $50 quality... the true Tex fans would pay $50 or more to play it at launch
the rule tends to be discount 20% if community funding. Not many people will community fund so keep that in mind, and in the end you still need people providing profits as well, if everyone contributes to kickstarter, who will be left to ensure profitability?.. so that's a HUGE problem especially if Chris and Aaron want to remain indie.
I'd say $30-$40 is reasonable for community fund, $50-$60 game at retail on release. Seem fair? I'd be fine with this personally.
I just don't think they should over do it with the rewards, just realize that these do need to be shipped and shipping costs money.. so its a pointless and destructive approach, you're better off just giving them the game, and if any REAL investors come along (as in extremely wealthy people with plenty of $$$ to throw at something) then they might find themselves with a luxury item that's worth quite a lot.
I 100% hate these novelty items, this is not a forking happy meal! I say that about Collectors Editions.. "Do you want the Standard Edition or the Happy Meal Edition?... what's the difference, the collectors comes with a Toy".
Anyway, the game is enough, if people want to put in some real cash, throw in a TruGolf simulator and a day on the green with Chris, this is for the serious backers.
I don't mind Easter Eggs for the community though, that would be cool, like an area that has something that the community pitched in and paid for to be put into the game.
So I feel like:
1. Standard Backer ($30-$40) = Game
2. Community Backer ($1000 would be a good option for this) = Multiple Copies of the game (Assumed multiple people donating under one person) + Community Easter Egg
3. Major Backer (we're talking $20k-$50k for a single backer) = Multiple Copies of Game + TruGolf Unit Delivered to them (this way they have something to REALLY brag about) + Day on the green with Chris Jones and the team.
I'd prefer that over novelty gimmicks. These are actual things that are worth value and don't require shipping stuff (aside from the TruGolf.. but I mean that's assumed!)
I'm really not happy with how Kickstarter is being used right now. Too many poorly presented pitches' and too many gimmicks.
I'd say $30-$40 is reasonable for community fund, $50-$60 game at retail on release. Seem fair? I'd be fine with this personally.
I just don't think they should over do it with the rewards, just realize that these do need to be shipped and shipping costs money.. so its a pointless and destructive approach, you're better off just giving them the game, and if any REAL investors come along (as in extremely wealthy people with plenty of $$$ to throw at something) then they might find themselves with a luxury item that's worth quite a lot.
I 100% hate these novelty items, this is not a forking happy meal! I say that about Collectors Editions.. "Do you want the Standard Edition or the Happy Meal Edition?... what's the difference, the collectors comes with a Toy".
Anyway, the game is enough, if people want to put in some real cash, throw in a TruGolf simulator and a day on the green with Chris, this is for the serious backers.
I don't mind Easter Eggs for the community though, that would be cool, like an area that has something that the community pitched in and paid for to be put into the game.
So I feel like:
1. Standard Backer ($30-$40) = Game
2. Community Backer ($1000 would be a good option for this) = Multiple Copies of the game (Assumed multiple people donating under one person) + Community Easter Egg
3. Major Backer (we're talking $20k-$50k for a single backer) = Multiple Copies of Game + TruGolf Unit Delivered to them (this way they have something to REALLY brag about) + Day on the green with Chris Jones and the team.
I'd prefer that over novelty gimmicks. These are actual things that are worth value and don't require shipping stuff (aside from the TruGolf.. but I mean that's assumed!)
I'm really not happy with how Kickstarter is being used right now. Too many poorly presented pitches' and too many gimmicks.
agreed...
maybe BFG should do things their way and not "follow the fasion", invented by Double Fine`s and continued by Wasteland 2`s kickstarters
you know, concentrate money on doing the game...
Tex Murphy plush toy?.. don`t you seem it`s a little... vulgar?
like admire "beatles" and their songs - and have a plush quartet on the table, singing "yellow submarine" every time you squeeze John Lennon`s hand
maybe BFG should do things their way and not "follow the fasion", invented by Double Fine`s and continued by Wasteland 2`s kickstarters
you know, concentrate money on doing the game...
Tex Murphy plush toy?.. don`t you seem it`s a little... vulgar?
like admire "beatles" and their songs - and have a plush quartet on the table, singing "yellow submarine" every time you squeeze John Lennon`s hand
I'd be happy with nothing more than some Autographed Screenshots and maybe T-Shirts... Nothing else is really needed, just the comeback of Tex is reward enough...
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Well Cyber, I'm going to have to disagree. Adding the other items to increase backing revenue just makes good sense. There is a limited number of people who will support the game, and sweetening the deal makes a win for everyone. Especially if done wisely. Up to a certain dollar amount, the virtual swag is a nice incentive to give more.
Mp3 of the soundtrack, PDF files of scripts, or novels, blooper reels, etc cost virtually nothing to the project creators, but are valued from a fan's standpoint. I would suggest virtual swag for the lower backing donations. (and above game price)
From $100 on, I think tangible goods are in order. A one sheet poster printed, signed, tubed and shipped in US would cost about $5 bucks.
A trade paperback printed, bound, signed and book-rated would probably be less than $10. Value added to us, more profit for them to make a better game.
After a grand, personal contact would be cool. And it would cost them nothing but their time, and maybe some patience. lol
Yeah, Cyber, it'd be great if there was the "wealthy patron". But you can't count on that.
And the proof? PLENTY of people (me included) bumped up their contribution on DF due to the adding of the t-shirt, box and poster. They probably made 60 extra dollars in profit to go towards the game for minimal cost for the materials (which they probably were going to design in house anyway for employees or promotional items).
SO yeah, I want my happy meal with the best toys that I can afford in my budget.
Mp3 of the soundtrack, PDF files of scripts, or novels, blooper reels, etc cost virtually nothing to the project creators, but are valued from a fan's standpoint. I would suggest virtual swag for the lower backing donations. (and above game price)
From $100 on, I think tangible goods are in order. A one sheet poster printed, signed, tubed and shipped in US would cost about $5 bucks.
A trade paperback printed, bound, signed and book-rated would probably be less than $10. Value added to us, more profit for them to make a better game.
After a grand, personal contact would be cool. And it would cost them nothing but their time, and maybe some patience. lol
Yeah, Cyber, it'd be great if there was the "wealthy patron". But you can't count on that.
And the proof? PLENTY of people (me included) bumped up their contribution on DF due to the adding of the t-shirt, box and poster. They probably made 60 extra dollars in profit to go towards the game for minimal cost for the materials (which they probably were going to design in house anyway for employees or promotional items).
SO yeah, I want my happy meal with the best toys that I can afford in my budget.
The deal was already sweet by the fact that the game is even getting made IMO. Adding "Rewards" just over complicates things.Adding the other items to increase backing revenue just makes good sense. There is a limited number of people who will support the game, and sweetening the deal makes a win for everyone.
That said I 100% support "Digital" incentives so long as they are not things that would be treated as DLC (because that is just bullshit!), Digital Incentives would be things like as has been said Making Of, Bloopers ect. I would absolutely love to see a Blooper reel of every game in the Tex series. This stuff definitely is worth while. A T-Shirt.. honestly I don't think its worth while, since you can pretty much order that $#it from CafePress ect- or make your own "Fan" T-Shirt.
Signed Autograph stuff has potential, given its worth, and it takes minimal time to produce.
Its more things like "Badges" or "Sculptures" that I'm opposed to as these require shipping, they require time to design and they require money to produce.. I don't like this. I definitely approve of the Autographed stuff for the collectors.
Anything though that requires "Making" presents problems due to logistics and time. In the end I'm trying to think what's going to be best and most easiest for Chris and Aaron but also what isn't going to come across as beggy or as a novelty.
We know Kickstarter is being flooded, Chris and Aaron need to play into their classiness in order to get the backers, they need to appeal as trustworthy and able to run a business, as opposed to a gimmicky developer like what that Ex-Halo/Rainbow Six guy did.
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Just saying though I'm a real fan, and I'm being pessimistic because the non-fans are going to be 3x as harsh.. That's how I see it. I always expect the worse and am always pleasantly surprised when I'm wrong.
The game alone, the DRM-free digital copy? It shouldn't be more than $15. After all, the reason you're used to seeing games sold for $40-$60 is exactly because publishers take a juicy fat bite out of your money.
There's no big-house publishers involved now, so there's no reason the game itself, the DRM-free digital copy, mind you, should be any more than $15. You wouldn't want to appear greedy next to Double Fine and the Wasteland 2 project and whatever else is coming out of the woodwork nowadays.
Of course, a copy of the game in a (jewel?) cover on dvd or blu-ray, that's an entirely different set of ballparks.
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There's no big-house publishers involved now, so there's no reason the game itself, the DRM-free digital copy, mind you, should be any more than $15. You wouldn't want to appear greedy next to Double Fine and the Wasteland 2 project and whatever else is coming out of the woodwork nowadays.
Of course, a copy of the game in a (jewel?) cover on dvd or blu-ray, that's an entirely different set of ballparks.
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I think a meet and greet with CJ and AC and all the other people who help finish the Tex Saga would be awesome. Everyone would have to supply their own mode of transportation because of money issues, obviously, but maybe a big dinner and then a Q & A session with the guys?? Maybe a compilation of some of the highlights from the previous games on a big screen and the boys talk about some of the funny things that went in to making those games...kinda like a commentary feature on a dvd. Just ideas.
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thing to remember is though that the $15 is the "Discounted" price. their final release price may be $30-$40 (which is standard for most indies).
If they have to do it at $15 so be it, but once they get out of community funding, I don't mind them doubling the price, these projects HAVE to be profitable, the higher the price, the fewer units that need to be sold. Just realize that community funding eats into your potential profitability, we want people to give millions but still be reserved so that when the game actually does release, there's still people who've not got the game that want to buy it. So yeah that's something to be really careful with.
And again, no one has made it to that stage yet, when we finally see one of these games released then we'll know how good/bad it is in terms of the impact on profitability. Not only are they trying to fund their initial development, but they're also trying to generate profits to keep doing it in post-production/post-release.
If they have to do it at $15 so be it, but once they get out of community funding, I don't mind them doubling the price, these projects HAVE to be profitable, the higher the price, the fewer units that need to be sold. Just realize that community funding eats into your potential profitability, we want people to give millions but still be reserved so that when the game actually does release, there's still people who've not got the game that want to buy it. So yeah that's something to be really careful with.
And again, no one has made it to that stage yet, when we finally see one of these games released then we'll know how good/bad it is in terms of the impact on profitability. Not only are they trying to fund their initial development, but they're also trying to generate profits to keep doing it in post-production/post-release.