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Post subject: 150 pledge tier is confusing me a bit
Post Posted: May 26, 2012 12:22 pm
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I am trying to decide what I am going to pledge and I know that it is going to be either 100 or 150.

I definitely want a collector's boxed copy of the game with all the added goodies. So my minimum is 100.

There is no way I can afford more than 150 with the new baby, unfortunately. That and the tiers above that are not as interesting to me. The collectors boxes seem cool for the previous games, but I already have all the games and re bought them on GOG. 500 is just way to much for me too.

Anyway, back to the 150 tier. This tier really intrigues me because of all the extra downloadable content that gives you more insight in the characters and story. I am thinking that Chelsee's mutation might be included in this. What i find so confusing is why this tier is only a limited amount and sold out????? It is only DLC. Would it not make sense for the other 150 tier with the shot glasses be the one to be limited, considering this is a tier that has to have a physical item made?
Is this a mistake? I sent a message to the guys on the kickstarter too, because I would like to get this extra stuff. If it is indeed sold out, then I guess it will be the 100 pledge for me. I can't merit spending 50 bucks on a shot glass when I have everything that is included in this tier already, including the novels. Does have a new forward, but that still isn't worth 50, unless i didn't have the novels. The easter eggs and fleshing out of the story, now that is worth every penny.

Hope this can be cleared up.

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Post subject: Re: 150 pledge tier is confusing me a bit
Post Posted: May 26, 2012 12:34 pm
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The DLC was eliminated because gamers hate DLC. However, since Kickstarter won't let projects change tiers even after backers ask for it, so the words can't be removed.

AC and CJ are not evil enough to put something as important as Chelsee's mutation in DLC. They're not EA, even if Aaron works for them.

Good gravy. If a big fan like you is questioning things, then imagine what casual Tex fans are doing! How could AC and CJ not know that DLC is controversial? I CANNOT BELIEVE HOW MUCH THIS DRM/DLC CRAP HAS SCREWED US!!!!!

If this kills the campaign I'll be so AAAUUUGGGGHHHH Image

EDIT, day after:
Sorry about yelling like that. At the moment, I was genuinely shocked and dismayed that even fans are confused by the tiers. But it's too late to do anything about it now.


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Post subject: Re: 150 pledge tier is confusing me a bit
Post Posted: May 26, 2012 12:41 pm
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I like anything that adds to the story.

DLC doesn't bother me so long as I don't have to pay an arm and a leg for it.

Hmm... well hopefully they get back to me as to what I can do. I don't see why DLC is such a bad thing. DRM on the other hand, bugs the crap out of me.

Main reason.... should the servers go down.... you can't play your game anymore. Or in the case of steam... you are only aloud so many downloads of a game... What happens if you lose your HD and then you can't get it anymore.

This is why DRM is kind of crappy. If you paid for a game, you shouldn't have to pay for it again.

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Post subject: Re: 150 pledge tier is confusing me a bit
Post Posted: May 26, 2012 12:44 pm
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The game will be DRM, DLC, and DDT free.

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Post subject: Re: 150 pledge tier is confusing me a bit
Post Posted: May 26, 2012 12:49 pm
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The extra content about the characters etc. that was going to be in the old $150 tier is now going to be included in all versions, from $15 upwards.
Here's the post about it:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/tex ... sts/227715

Due to Kickstarter policy the old tier can't be removed or edited so they had to "limit" it (a hack way of "closing" it). For whatever reason none of the current backers for that tier have checked back and updated their pledge. I think also some are thinking the Easter Eggs are still exclusive to that tier (as DLC doesn't necessarily mean Easter Eggs) and so are bidding on it when slots open up still.

You're right to be confused though, it does at the moment basically look like 92 people are in an exclusive DLC club privy to characetr insights that noone else can now obtain. But of course that is just because of the Kickstarter policy limitations. It'd be cool to have a note in the top DLC/DRM banner about this.

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Post subject: Re: 150 pledge tier is confusing me a bit
Post Posted: May 26, 2012 1:01 pm
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They did already. It's big red and blue. But it doesn't explain the tiers.

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Post subject: Re: 150 pledge tier is confusing me a bit
Post Posted: May 26, 2012 3:03 pm
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Yes, I wish Kickstarter would allow editing the tiers for clarification... Yes, I understand that people will abuse it, but there has to be a way to allow for this. Maybe they could actually have the clarifications be checked by someone at Kickstarter before they go up to make sure the system does not get abused.

There's a few things that people don't seem to get about kickstarter, things that aren't instantly self explanatory... I've even seen it on this board.

For example, Kickstarter does NOT take your money until after the campaign ends. Even after complete funding, it will not take your money until the very end. So you can bid now and not worry about getting overdrawn. Moreso, this also means, make sure that the money is still in your bank account at the very end. Don't look at your balance in a week or so and think you miscalculated and have an extra hundred in your bank account and then have the payment bounce at the end, not only will this cost you fees, it will cost the campaign funds as well, since they'll get charged for it too.

Someone really should write a FAQ about Kickstarter in general and THIS Kickstarter specifically and it should be placed at the top of the campaign page, since most people don't read all the way down to the bottom.

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Post subject: Re: 150 pledge tier is confusing me a bit
Post Posted: May 26, 2012 5:17 pm
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The DLC tier didn't sell it out. It was closed because Kickstarter doesn't give creators much options to edit tiers.

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Post subject: Re: 150 pledge tier is confusing me a bit
Post Posted: May 26, 2012 6:28 pm
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Ok, so this all makes sense.

I would like to pledge the 150 but I can't justify it due to my financial situation. The only thing I would be getting new is the shot glass and the new forwards on the novels.

I think it would have made sense to have the novel pdfs/ebooks and the comic pdf, available for a lower tier. The physical copies should still be reserved for a higher tier than this one, just cause they are so rare and are autographed.

I guess 100 it is.

What are your opinions on the pdfs being available at a lower tier?

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Post subject: Re: 150 pledge tier is confusing me a bit
Post Posted: May 26, 2012 6:41 pm
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lestat666 wrote:
What are your opinions on the pdfs being available at a lower tier?


Would be nice as an inbetween lower tier. Maybe something to push pledges up a little.

They're also in the $135 tier:
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Downloadable PDF or eBook of Aaron Conners "Under a Killing Moon" novel with new forward by Chris Jones.
Downloadable PDF or eBook of Aaron Conners "The Pandora Directive" novel with new forward by Chris Jones.


Though I assume pledging at that tier will make other physical shipped items from earlier tiers null and void though since its "Digital Only for those who don't want stuff shipped".

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Post subject: Re: 150 pledge tier is confusing me a bit
Post Posted: May 26, 2012 8:34 pm
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Now that I think of it... It's great that AC & CJ realized their error and got rid of the DLC offer, but how did that even happen in the first place?

Offering DLC related to Tex's story and character (which is the true heart of the games) for $150 was frankly a stupid idea and the more I think about it the dumber it sounds. EA can charge people money to play as Prothean (which is very important to the world and story of Mass Effect) and expect people to do it because they're EA and people have to take it.

You can't do that with a Kickstarter when you have no product and are asking for funding help. You cannot. How did this happen? I'd gladly pay $150 to get that DLC, but why would anyone, especially AC and CJ, not realize that everyone who isn't us would have a problem with that?

That being said, I love AC and CJ and I really hope this mistake won't hurt as bad as I think it could.

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Post subject: Re: 150 pledge tier is confusing me a bit
Post Posted: May 26, 2012 8:44 pm
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joliet_jane wrote:
Now that I think of it... It's great that AC & CJ realized their error and got rid of the DLC offer, but how did that even happen in the first place?

Offering DLC related to Tex's story and character (which is the true heart of the games) for $150 was frankly a stupid idea and the more I think about it the dumber it sounds. EA can charge people money to play as Prothean (which is very important to the world and story of Mass Effect) and expect people to do it because they're EA and people have to take it.

You can't do that with a Kickstarter when you have no product and are asking for funding help. You cannot. How did this happen? I'd gladly pay $150 to get that DLC, but why would anyone, especially AC and CJ, not realize that everyone who isn't us would have a problem with that?

That being said, I love AC and CJ and I really hope this mistake won't hurt as bad as I think it could.


Jane....step away from the ledge. It's safe here. They are only human. I'm sure they are having the toughest time backpedaling away from this. They realized pretty much right away that it wasn't going over well and have done just about everything humanly possible they can do to remedy it. It was only spilt milk, no actual animals were harmed. We do what Tex fans do.....we keep the faith.

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Post subject: Re: 150 pledge tier is confusing me a bit
Post Posted: May 26, 2012 8:49 pm
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I don't think DLC has done much damage. The people who give the most money are intense Tex fans. I don't even get when DLC went out of style. The last Mortal Kombat game, which wasn't too long ago had DLC and that seemed to go over well.

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Post subject: Re: 150 pledge tier is confusing me a bit
Post Posted: May 26, 2012 9:01 pm
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Jen wrote:
Jane....step away from the ledge. It's safe here. They are only human. I'm sure they are having the toughest time backpedaling away from this. They realized pretty much right away that it wasn't going over well and have done just about everything humanly possible they can do to remedy it. It was only spilt milk, no actual animals were harmed. We do what Tex fans do.....we keep the faith.

Ledge? What are you talking about? I'm not at a ledge. I'm fine. :| My faith in AC and CJ is strong enough that I can be critical without fearing that that they'll shatter to pieces.

I'm just saying something. Despite my obsessionalism, I am realistic about the situation, and I can put my feelings aside and say "it was a mistake." If someone had asked me before May 15th, I'd have said "DLC? 150? I don't know about that." I just really hope it didn't matter that much.

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Post subject: Re: 150 pledge tier is confusing me a bit
Post Posted: May 26, 2012 9:07 pm
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Matt,

I have games I have downloaded from steam & I backup to dvd, saves having to download them again. Steam have a menu to allow you to do this.

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